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Is soulbound term only for multiples? Because I research it all I could find and it helped define my relationships with characters but I’m not multiple as far as I know, I have really strong facets based on trauma and a strong relationship with characters that I even use in my pop culture paganism practices.

No, soulbonders can be singlets too. There are both multiple and singlet ways to interact with soulbonds.

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Thank you for your reply, I understand and it’s a good point but I think that while classifications are good to make things clear dividing a small community with close experiences in two against the wishes of some of them is not ideal. I also think the otherkin community wants only people who believe it’s an spiritual thing lately, I mean between coping kin and people who believe being kin is psychological or anything not spiritual there isn’t such a big diference and both tend to be excluded.

I think its important to share space- but I also think its important to have dedicated spaces to both. We have similar experiences, and a…

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why don’t you try to start a new terminology? you’re a pretty popular blogger i think you could do it.

I’m a pretty popular fictionkin blogger, yes, but not so much a popular multiple blogger. I almost never talk about my experiences as a multiple,…

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tbh it’s probably a good idea for natural multiples to call themselves something different? they don’t experience the same things so why use the same terms?

*shrug* I don’t disagree. If the multiplicity community decided to rename itself tomorrow I’d be all for it. Ive already been around for renaming otakukin…

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I believe healthy multiplicity is real and your anon is missing the point, psychology is supposed to explain the workings of the mind not own them and only allow for their worldview to exist, so please don’t assume I’m one of those anons, but I think that what people like the anon are doing to you reminds me of what otherkin like you do to other kin, you define who can be part of the community by your views, like being against coping kin, according to my worldview as kin that is possible.

Sorry this took me longer to get to! You have a point! The difference is that I absolutely believe that copingkin exist as a phenomenon…

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Yet more sources include Normal Dimensions of Multiple Personality Without Amnesia by Kunzendorf, Robert and Dissociation and Transformation by Richards, Douglas.

Thank you so much for the sources, anon. DIDanon has gone for now, but I’m interested to do some reading myself.

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got this from the anon

i’m switching out and can’t be fucked to continue this argument later bye Looks like the drama is over for now, lol. Thanks to everybody.

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Other sources beyond Vessiere’s study include: Multiplying models: Personal identity, dissociation and the possibility of healthy multiplicity by Gale, Lindsey and Alterity: Learning polyvalent selves, resisting disabling notions of the self by Walker, Wayland. We can gather from these that healthy multiplicity is indeed A Thing that happens. What we -cannot- gather is what causes it. To label all non-DID or DDNOS systems as imitation systems or BPD is a huge oversight and logically unsound.

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@ anon: Wow shush stop talking over people you are helping literally no one and hurting many. That is Bad and you need to Stop

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Omg anon that is not how tulpas are created. Please, please educate yourself. You’re embarrassing.

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@ the person saying calling yourself a system when you’re not isn’t hurting anyone: being a singlet and calling yourself multiple harms your cohesion and sense of self.

That’s not what that person was saying. What they were saying is you don’t get to say who is singlet and who is not.

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@ other anon saying that knowing you’re a system means you’re a system: you’re discounting the existence of imitative DID and the enormous number of people who incorrectly self-diagnose dissociative disorders.

Not wanting to self diagnose is exactly why many multiples do not use the DID label.

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tulpas are created through hypnosis and can be classified as OSDD-1.

It says you have to experience distress for OSDD. What about those who do not experience distress?

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how is telling you the literal definition of something applying the standards of a disorder? i’m telling you what a term specific to a disorder means. you’re clearly not listening. being multiple means that there’s dissociative barriers between personality states. if that’s not your experience, why are you using that label for yourself? actually answer the question, you keep avoiding it.

I am using the label for myself because the label applies to me. The label multiple applies to me, because I am a member of…

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I wonder if multianon has any sources that can prove that being a singlet is inherently healthy. Probably not, since healthiness in singlets is something implied. I don’t know why it’s suddenly so unbelievable in the context of multiple systems that they wouldn’t have clinically significant distress as a result of being multiple (which according to the DSM 5 is the key defining factor of what makes someone disordered in the first place).

Good point!

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@anon, check Dr Samuel Vessiere’s tulpa studies. Which you’d have seen if you looked up the cited reddit FFS

Anon, here’s a source!

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@ anon talking about you essentially saying “I know I’m a system and then therefore I am a system”: Wow. It’s almost like, you know, that that’s /the criteria for being a system/

Seriously, I don’t know what else they’re looking for.

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@ anon: Good gravy please shush yourself. You cannot speak for the experiences of other people, whether or not you have a textbook, a degree, or even the disorder yourself. Everybody is different, and these people are hurting no one

That anon doesn’t know when to quit.

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i haven’t been trying to apply the standards of a disorder, i’m trying to tell you that being multiple is inherently dissociative, so if you’re not dissociating, how are you multiple? maybe try answering with an actual answer this time, instead of “i know i’m a system, and therefore i am a system.”

Anon, anon, that’s applying the standards of a disorder. Helloooooo *knocks on your head*

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fully sourced to reputable sites, and with an actual explanation to how natural multiplicity can happen.

In other words you are discounting the experiences of actual natural multiples in favor of the word of gatekeeping authorities who are only looking at…

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just because we haven’t worked out everything about the brain doesn’t mean that we know nothing. also @ the other anon, i’m aware of the ableism in the psychiatric field, but that doesn’t make all psychiatry completely incorrect. also note that modern psychology is based on decades of research and studies. while we have hundreds of books and reports on the topic, what do you have? a couple of teenagers on the internet claiming to know better than people who have spent years studying?

I’m 30, anon. And I’ve been consciously multiple for half my lifetime. Most of the people in the multiplicity communities I’ve been a part of…

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Lol @ the anon not reading any of the sources offered! eyeroll or are onliiiine sources too OmgMadeUp!! for you? Even though there are qualified scientists and projects on several?

Anon only believes what their Psych 101 professor tells them.

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anon be like “My psychology course knows more about you than you do” what the heckle deckle

what the heckle deckle indeed.

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What DIDanon is doing is the logical equivalent of an allistic person telling someone who they don’t know is autistic what autism is. Smh.

Yep! Thanks for putting that in perspective!

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i think you’re the one missing the point here. the only way that multiple people can exist in one mind is through dissociation. that’s literally how the brain works. and that dissociation is defined by DID and OSDD-1.

Woah, look at this anon here ! They know exactly how the brain works! I’m stunned ! Give this anon a prize in science! All…

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lol @ the anon thinking psychology as a practice is anything other than ableist and inaccurate

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i’m speaking as someone currently studying psychology at university. the literal definition of a system is someone whose personality didn’t integrate. please actually look this up, this is a known fact. if your personality is integrated you’re not multiple. if you’re going to claim to be multiple people with an integrated personality, can you at least not steal our terms.

*facepalm* Wow, anon, the point and you miss again! 1) obviously a psychology textbook would define mlultiplicty through the lens of disorder. They’re not going…

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not believing me about being diagnosed just because you disagree with me is childish. also there’s literally no-non DID/OSDD-1 basis for natural multiples to exist unless they’re not actually dissociative, and therefore not a system. imitative DID is where someone with an unstable personality (usually someone with BPD believes their facets are alters because they feel like different people.) takes on the social role of someone with DID and claims to be multiple, despite being a singlet.

no-non DID/OSDD-1 basis for natural multiples Whoops, you missed the point again, anon! Natural multiples exist, get this, outside of the psychiatric purview. Natural multiples…

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@didanon, guess what, its also common to not know the veracity of anyone else’s experience as you aren’t experiencing it, so you have no validity in dismissing it. Stop being condescending and rude when you don’t even want to try to consider others.

Thank you, anon!

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Adding on to the tulpa anon, more information on multiplicity can be found at r/plural as well, and the sub is inhabited by systems of all types-both DID/traumagenic and not.

Thank you for this! I didn’t realize there was a reddit for multiples. (subscribes!)

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@ other anon: how do you propose non-DID/OSDD-1 systems can exist then?

DIDAnon appears to believe they don’t exist and are ‘mistaken’.

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i’m an alter in a professionally diagnosed DID system. also it’s possible (and actually very common, it’s called imitative DID) to mistakenly believe you’re multiple when you’re not. so personal experience is not evidence.

So, you’re calling me ‘mistaken’ when I believe have shared my body with my headmates for fifteen years? Is that what you’re telling me? Headmates…

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Hey anon, I don’t know whats so hard to understand about healthy multiplicity. You do realize that scientific studies (and by extension the mental health field) is a method by which humans are trying to understand the world, and by no means at all do we fully understand the human brain. We are still discovering new breakthroughs in these fields.

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you don’t even have anything to back up your claims. what makes you so sure i’m wrong?

Because I am a member of a multiple system that is non-trauma based and doesn’t experience significant dissociation? I don’t know what other proof you…

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a system = extreme dissociation. i don’t know how to make this any clearer.

Because you’re just wrong.

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Rude anon, check the tulpa reddit too with its scientific background for healthy multiplicity.

thank you tulpa anon ^^

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you said yourself that healthy multiples don’t have symptoms. you need to have extreme dissociative symptoms in order to be multiple. that’s literally how multiplicity works.

No, you have to have extreme dissociation symptoms in order to be diagnosed DID. That’s not the same thing. DID is the medical term for…

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just because a source stretches back more than a decade doesn’t mean it’s true. you could say exactly the same thing about vaccines causing autism. again, you’re completely ignoring what i’m saying here. multiplicity and being a system are symptoms of DID and OSDD-1 exclusively. why are you taking terms from a disorder and using them to describe something completely different.

And you are not listening to me. I am a part of a multiple system. We do not have DID or trauma. Why are you…

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how on earth is a livejournal supposed to be an official source? you have no evidence to back up your claims. all of the links on the site have been discredited multiple times. people claiming to be multiple without having the additional symptoms of an unintegrated personality clearly have no understanding of what a system is. a system is a medical term for all dissociated parts of a person with DID or OSDD-1.

The point is over here <- and you are all the waaaaay over there —–> In other words, you have missed the point. how on…

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multiplicity only happens when a person has undergone trauma, and is not the natural state of the mind. that is, by definition, a disorder. if nothing happened to make a personality not integrate, it integrates. you literally cannot be a multiple if you have an integrated personality because the term implies that your personality isn’t integrated.

The trauma based model pushed by the psychological institution is not the only cause of multiplicity. Non-trauma systems exist, and have existed for years, and…